Ok. I gotta go get some coffee before I start to shit my face off in astonishment. The word "doom" should actually be spelled Dotroubleom. You wanna call bullshit with the latest album? That's cool -- It's a pretty rockin' album. But the band's early material is doom. Doom doom doom doom doom. End of discussion.
I don't consider Kyuss doom.
Captain: cchellis:Psalm 9 is one of my favorite albums of ALL TIME, but...it's not doom.
cchellis:Psalm 9 is one of my favorite albums of ALL TIME, but...it's not doom.
Psalm 9 is one of my favorite albums of ALL TIME, but...it's not doom.
Don't get me wrong, Captain. There's doom in there, but there are so many other elements that I hesitate to say that doom is the dominant one. By contrast, The Skull is so dreary and sluggish (in the good, entrancing kind of way, mind you). It's obvious that they were channeling a different vibe/energy.
Out of curiosity, when did people into heavy music start referring to things as doom, and how did critics describe Psalm 9? I know they used "white metal," but beyond that what terms were people using in reference to Trouble around the release of their debut?
Since we are allowing a bunch of stoner rock bands onto these lists than I will also be liberal in my interpertation of the line between death metal and doom.
1. Solitude Aeturnus - Through the Darkest Hour
2. Celestial Season - Solar Lovers
3. Runemagick - Under Funeral Wings
4. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
5. Cathedral - Forest of Equilibrium
6. Solstice - New Dark Age
7. Skepticism - Stormcrowfleet
8. Thergothon - Stream from the Heavens
9. Catacombs- In the Depths of R'lyeh
10. Thee Plague of Gentlemen - Primula Pestis
cchellis:Out of curiosity, when did people into heavy music start referring to things as doom, and how did critics describe Psalm 9? I know they used "white metal," but beyond that what terms were people using in reference to Trouble around the release of their debut?
That's actually a very good question, Chris. The genre started with Black Sabbath and Pentagram, but I don't think the term really started to be used extensively until the early/mid 80's when bands like The Obsessed, Vitus, Trouble, Candlemass, etc. took the blue prints laid down by those two bands and expanded on them. And I use the term "extensively" relatively lightly. I'd imagine the bigger metal rags at the time just referred to it all as heavy metal. All this sub-genre classification is for freaks in the underground and people who can't get enough yapping about it...like us.
I just chose ten random ones that I like a lot. They're not necessarily the best but they are highly regarded by myself. I also made and effort to include various styles of doom.
BLACK SABBATH - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
KATATONIA - Last Fair Deal Gone Down
WITCHCRAFT - Firewood
MOURNING BELOVETH - The Sullen Sulcus
NEUROSIS - Through Silver In Blood
SWALLOW THE SUN - Ghosts Of Loss
EYEHATEGOD - In The Name Of Suffering
CANDLEMASS - Nightfall
DAYLIGHT DIES - Dismantling Devotion
THE HIDDEN HAND - Mother Teacher Destroyer
Captain:I don't consider Kyuss doom.
I don't either.
I see a lot of bands in lists that aren't very doomy, so far.
Not really inventive, but... (in no particular order...)
Some of my top "Trad Doom" type stuff, lately.
1.) Pale Divine - Thunder Perfect Mind
2.) Doomsword - Let Battle Commence
3.) Trouble - Trouble (Whichever... hell, most of their albums)
4.) Candlemass - Most, but I guess Epicus or Ancient Dreams for the win
5.) Solitude Aeturnus - Beyond the Crimson Horizon (another hard pick)
6.) Black Sabbath - Sabotage, etc...
7.) Pagan Altar - Mythical & Magical, etc...
8.) Warning - Watching From a Distance
9.) Reverend Bizarre - In the Rectory...
10.) Sahg - I
Reguarding the Troulbe issue: My first exposure to Trouble was Manic Frustration, which I thought was a decent album, but to my ears a blues-rock/metal album. I was quite confused when people refered to Trouble as a doom band. Years later I bought Psalm 9 and as soon as "The Tempter" caming roaring out of the speakers, I thought to myself, "Holy Shit! It's fucking DOOOOOOOM!" So, to hear some of you question it's doom-ness leaves me somewhat befuddled. But, If we can all agree that it's a fucking killer album, I guess that's good enough.
Achilles:But, If we can all agree that it's a fucking killer album, I guess that's good enough.
But, If we can all agree that it's a fucking killer album, I guess that's good enough.
Amen, my good man. Amen.
Captain: Achilles: But, If we can all agree that it's a fucking killer album, I guess that's good enough. Amen, my good man. Amen.
Achilles: But, If we can all agree that it's a fucking killer album, I guess that's good enough.
I can get behind that statement.
I think it's always interesting in doom threads how there's usually more than a good handful of recent albums in the top lists, where as in just about every other subgenre if you ask someone for the best or their favorites or whatever, it's almost all relegated to stuff released at least 20 years ago.
Denny: I think it's always interesting in doom threads how there's usually more than a good handful of recent albums in the top lists, where as in just about every other subgenre if you ask someone for the best or their favorites or whatever, it's almost all relegated to stuff released at least 20 years ago.
I think you'd find some recent stuff on a lot of black metal lists, too.